turtledudeusa
Out of the Shell
Good Luck, and Happy Turtle-ing!
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Post by turtledudeusa on Jul 25, 2004 17:45:13 GMT -5
Hey!
I went to a Flea-Market today, and for the second time, I became udderly enraged! I saw not one, but two different stands selling RES hatchlings. I ask the person selling them if they knew it was illegal to sell a turtle under 4 inches. They said it was ok, since they were liscensed, and got their's from hatcheries. At that point, I backed down, but I would really like to know if she was feeding me a line of B.S. or if that is true. Either way, I would love to find some proof supporting whatever is correct.
After I had made my statement about her illegal practices, she went on and started talking to someone else. This customer asked the infamous question "Will they get any bigger?". Her response, "No, if you keep them in a small environment, such as this Turtle Lagoon we have, they won't grow much." Before even thinking, I said "Well, they won't live very long in those d@mn death bowls!" I soon walked away.
Anyhow, the purpose of my post is this:
1) Is it legal to sell a RES hatchling if you have the proper liscensing and you get them from a hatchery?
2) Where can I find information proving or disproving this?
Thanks,
Bonjour!
turtledudeusa
P.S. I am from Kentucky and I was at an Ohio Flea-Market. Could the laws be different? I thought it was a natoin-wide thing that selling turtles under 4 inches was illegal.
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Post by csurfleet on Jul 26, 2004 2:34:05 GMT -5
I don't know (being from the UK), but I thought it was illegal everywhere - report her to your local trading standards dept or animal rights group, they will be able to investigate.
Urk.....
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Post by jaia on Jul 26, 2004 5:59:28 GMT -5
Hey All, this is Jinx.....got locked out....lol....so now I am jaia
It was my impression, that even with a licence, you can still only sell to or for that education or scientific purposes......it is illegal for turtles to be sold as pets, under 4".
You should protest him.....seriously....hand out real caresheets to those you see buying from him, report him call the flea market owners....citing animal cruelty, threaten media and or legal stuff.
Man I woulda had a field day on his butt. lol.
As for proving, USA, go to their govt website, look for who ever is responsible for animals. In Ontario that is Ministry of Natural Resources. Contact humane socieeties adn local turtle adoption/fighter type places in that area or your area and see what they can do.
hope I helped
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turtledudeusa
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Post by turtledudeusa on Jul 26, 2004 22:51:33 GMT -5
Hey
Jinx, you helped a lot! I'll look into that. I would have started to protest that very day, but I wanted to check it out with my turtle pals. I would feel really bad if I protested them, and what they were doing turned out to be legal. I told my mom that if I had extra money, I'd rent the place across from the turtle killers and hand out proper information. I'll check on some of those sites!
Thanks a million,
turtledudeusa
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Post by Chez on Jul 29, 2004 13:30:53 GMT -5
If you go to GTT:r's Turtle Laws section, scroll down to Ohio, and click Ohio Div. Of Wilflife, you can ask them for the most legit info.
[glow=blue,2,300]:Chez[/glow]
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Post by djambic on Dec 9, 2004 19:39:20 GMT -5
...Wow, I havent been here in forever...
Anyways, It is illegal in I think every US State to sell turtles under 4 inches. In my opinion that law is pointless, it was made to prevent small children from getting small turtles and putting them in their mouths, and contracting salmonealisis (sp*?) also known as salmonela.
Truthfully, Ive bought every turtle at about 6 total I believe, from hatchery wholesale people at no bigger than a half-dollar. And Ive caught about 4 others and hatched and raised to about 3inches a large clutch of softshells. So the whole law thing I think is bogus.
Also every softy I hatched I released within a week as I only hatched them to prevent them from being dug up and destroyed by the local golf course who isnt very found of large dirt patches near the water.
Hope some of my rambling helped.
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Post by Chez on Dec 10, 2004 1:00:09 GMT -5
You're right about the salmonella. The salmonella was a big issue, in addition to what you said, because the bulk of the turtles were captivated and therfore carrying loads of bacteria. That compunded with the fact that they were housed in Death Bowls (which if you see the www.turtlesale com ad up there at the top, they sell them.. *cough*boycott*cough*  ) and without filters and people not washing their hands, of course there were going to be problems. The law was useful at the time, emphasis on 'was'. Now that the facts are know and information is readily acceptable, the law is simply archaic. No, I am not finished yet.. lol On teh other hand, if the law prevents some people from selling endangered baby turtles, then I would consider that to be a small little victory in the fight to save the turtles. Oh and Jinx you are right; if they are sold for "scientific, educational, or exhibitional" purposes, then the sale is legal. But since turtles are in a sense on display in your home, are they not being exhibited..? Hmm.. [glow=blue,2,300]:Chez[/glow] |
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Post by Jinx on Dec 10, 2004 13:05:26 GMT -5
Hey Chez
Nice try!! lol
In order for something to be considered on exhibition, (as used in the 4inch law) means money must be exchanged in the form of admissions, for it to count as exhibition and not pets. It is not meant in its literal sense.
Jinx
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Post by Chez on Dec 11, 2004 0:11:04 GMT -5
haha..
Ok how about this. You give everyone entering you're home a reciept for like a dollar, but without really charging, saying that they were there to view the turtles...
score: 10 points, for the loop hole.
[glow=blue,2,300]:Chez ;D[/glow]
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Post by Jinx on Dec 11, 2004 1:22:44 GMT -5
And that counts as income, taxable income, what do you tell the taxman when he comes a knocking ... lol.
Taxman: one
Chez: Minus what the taxman choses
hehehehe
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Post by Chez on Dec 11, 2004 17:10:58 GMT -5
Thats easy.
Taxman (who has no points, btw): I'm here to do what taxman do. You're going to jail.
Chez: Wait, dude, I have some wicked cool turtles. I'll show em to you.. and if yo keep it on the hush, I won't charge you!
Taxman: Sure, what the hey!
(Taxman is in awe over the turtles. Stares for hours!)
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Taxman: Great turtles! And your site is kickass too- I'm going to turn you into a non-profit, and give you tax breaks!
Chez: So long..
(Taxman leaves)
Chez: Sweeeet.
[glow=blue,2,300]:Chez, +3[/glow]
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Post by TurtleLover99 on Dec 12, 2004 14:15:33 GMT -5
really i think the 4 inch law is RETARDED IN A HALF.. i mean come on. u shouldnt even own an animal if u cant clean ur hands after u handle them.. and i've heard ppl got salmonella from puttin the turtles in their mouth!? HOLY RETARDS... and u can get it from a turtle above 4 inches too.. i own 2 turtles so far that are under 4'' and i'm not dumb with them.. i kno what i can and cannot due.. lol..but i mean.. its teriible that ppl sell them.. when they kno ZERO facts about them.. when i walk into pet stores with turtle lagoons..i just yell BS in the store really loud.. its quite fun.. or i hide all of them somewhere..lol.. my life is great...
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Post by Jinx on Dec 15, 2004 1:19:29 GMT -5
Does that work for You ... yelling BS and hiding things in the store.
Do they change their policies, do other customers see and understand what you are doing and maybe boycott with You, do You yourself just go in and hid things and whatnot or do you shop their too, has anything positive come from yelling and hiding things??
Just wondering
Jinx
PS Turtledude ... another thing You could try is contact the management of the flea market and complain or state your case to them and see what happens.
Let us know
Jinx
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turtledudeusa
Out of the Shell
Good Luck, and Happy Turtle-ing!
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Post by turtledudeusa on Jan 25, 2005 22:57:06 GMT -5
Hey guys,
im out of my hiding...
im still pissed about the turtle thing, but we havent been back to the flee market, so i havent been able to have my fun...and now its cold, so the dumbasses are probably done until spring...but i have my liscense now and i dont have to rely on my parents to get me places, so i may go up there one day and have some fun!
tdusa
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Post by Chez on Jan 26, 2005 14:16:52 GMT -5
awesome. three words: honey. flamethrower. pinatas :chez lol ;D |
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) and without filters and people not washing their hands, of course there were going to be problems. The law was useful at the time, emphasis on 'was'. Now that the facts are know and information is readily acceptable, the law is simply archaic.